Re: [AMMRL] upgrade to TS 2.1 pl6 --> TS 3.6.5 raw check no signal on gradient shimming from Michael Groves on 2023-09-01 (Email Archives for September, 2023)

From: Michael Groves <m.groves_at_utah.edu>
Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2023 01:06:34 +0000

I agree—it does sound like the routing is messed up. Can you send a
screenshot of your edasp window with the “show probe wiring”
box checked? 2H should go through the 5W amplifier—the 100W amp is
connected to a BB preamp that has a 2H stop filter.

Cheers,
Mike

On Sep 1, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Darcy Burns <darcy.burns_at_utoronto.ca> wrote:

Well folks,

I’ve seemingly bricked out 2h gradient performance when attempting
to upgrade TS 2.1 to TS 3.6.5 (CentOS / AV III nano). In this case we are
receiving a topshim raw check - no signal at all

In a nutshell:
1. we are able to acquire a 1D 2H (zg2h)
2. we are able to topshim 1h
3. We are able to make a new shimmap
4. 1D 1H and 1D 13C both are OK
5. I can manually shim to lineshape spec

In this case, we installed and ran nmrrestore to bringing out tar file. Then
cf / ii / ii restart to clear any issues. Then checked prosol table and=
edited with previous values accordingly.

At first we were not able to get a good shim response (shimming iterated many
times and set to poor values, complained of poor signal:noise, which in
retrospect may have been related a conversion from dB to dBm in prosol).
Still, we did not get a raw check no signal at all error.

We then though (perhaps unwisely) that there was an issue with the shimmap
and performed a ‘topshim initial’.
à at this point we were no longer able to get a 2H response in topshim.
1D 2H is OK, so is 1h gradient shimming.
à seems like the routing is messed up

Routing is as follows:
1H à SGU2 à 60W amp
2H à SGU1 à 100W amp
5W amp is available, but unused.

I have no idea what to do; we reverted to the older computer running TS 2.1,
ran an nmrrestore and went through requisite cf’s; all to no avail.

Any advice out there?

cheerios,
Darcy

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If you didn=E2=80=99t do an expinstall after all the changes can you call in a
standard Bruker parameter set and start again from there? Then read in whatever
gradshim1d2h standard set?

Mike Delk
University of Pittsburgh
School of Medicine
Department of Structural Biology
412.370.0066
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I agree=E2=80=94it does sound like the routing is messed up. Can you send a
screenshot of your edasp window with the =E2=80=9Cshow probe wiring=E2=80=9D
box checked? 2H should go through the 5W amplifier=E2=80=94the 100W amp is
connected to a BB preamp that has a 2H stop filter.

Cheers,
Mike

On Sep 1, 2023, at 6:58 PM, Darcy Burns <darcy.burns_at_utoronto.ca> wrote:

Well folks,

I=E2=80=99ve seemingly bricked out 2h gradient performance when attempting
to upgrade TS 2.1 to TS 3.6.5 (CentOS / AV III nano). In this case we are
receiving a topshim raw check - no signal at all

In a nutshell:
1. we are able to acquire a 1D 2H (zg2h)

2. we are able to topshim 1h
3. We are able to make a new shimmap
4. 1D 1H and 1D 13C both are OK
5. I can manually shim to lineshape spec

In this case, we installed and ran nmrrestore to bringing out tar file. Then
cf / ii / ii restart to clear any issues. Then checked prosol table and
edited with previous values accordingly.

At first we were not able to get a good shim response (shimming iterated many
times and set to poor values, complained of poor signal:noise, which in
retrospect may have been related a conversion from dB to dBm in prosol).
Still, we did not get a raw check no signal at all error.

We then though (perhaps unwisely) that there was an issue with the shimmap
and performed a =E2=80=98topshim initial=E2=80=99.
=C3=A0 at this point we were no longer able to get a 2H response in topshim.
1D 2H is OK, so is 1h gradient shimming.
=C3=A0 seems like the routing is messed up

Routing is as follows:
1H =C3=A0 SGU2 =C3=A0 60W amp
2H =C3=A0 SGU1 =C3=A0 100W amp
5W amp is available, but unused.

I have no idea what to do; we reverted to the older computer running TS 2.1,
ran an nmrrestore and went through requisite cf=E2=80=99s; all to no avail.

Any advice out there?

cheerios,

Darcy

_________________________________
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Manager, CSICOMP NMR Facility

NEW BOOK! Optimizing NMR Methods for Structure Elucidation (Burns and Reyn=
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University of Toronto
80 St. George Street
Toronto, ON
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fax: (416)-978-8775

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I=E2=80=99ve seemingly bricked out 2h gradient performance when attempting =
to upgrade TS 2.1 to TS 3.6.5 (CentOS / AV III nano).=C2=A0 In this case we=
are receiving a topshim raw check =C2=A0- no signal at all<br/>
<br/>
In a nutshell:<br/>
1. we are able to acquire a 1D 2H (zg2h)</p>
<p class=3D"x_MsoNormal">2. we are able to topshim 1h<br/>
3. We are able to make a new shimmap<br/>
4. 1D 1H and 1D 13C both are OK<br/>
5. I can manually shim to lineshape spec<br/>
<br/>
In this case, we installed and ran nmrrestore to bringing out tar file.=C2=
=A0 Then cf / ii / ii restart to clear any issues.=C2=A0 Then checked proso=
l table and edited with previous values accordingly.<br/>
<br/>
At first we were not able to get a good shim response (shimming iterated ma=
ny times and set to poor values, complained of poor signal:noise, which in =
retrospect may have been related a conversion from dB to dBm in prosol).=C2=
=A0 Still, we did not get a raw check
no signal at all error.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
We then though (perhaps unwisely) that there was an issue with the shimmap =
and performed a =E2=80=98topshim initial=E2=80=99.<br/>
<span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> at this point we were no longer able to get =
a 2H response in topshim.=C2=A0 1D 2H is OK, so is 1h gradient shimming.<br=
/>
<span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> seems like the routing is messed up<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
Routing is as follows:<br/>
1H <span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> SGU2 <span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> 60W a=
mp<br/>
2H <span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> SGU1 <span style=3D"">=C3=A0</span> 100W =
amp<br/>
5W amp is available, but unused.<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
<br/>
I have no idea what to do;=C2=A0 we reverted to the older computer running =
TS 2.1, ran an nmrrestore and went through requisite cf=E2=80=99s;=C2=A0 al=
l to no avail.=C2=A0
<br/>
<br/>
Any advice out there?<br/>
<br/>
cheerios, </p>
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