Can NMR really say anytihng about bulk water structure?

From: Paul Shin <alchemy_at_csun.edu>
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:40:26 -0700

Hello all,

More specifically, can 17O-NMR linewidth data really say anything about
bulk water structure? I ask because I have reviewed a book that claims that
this can be done. Please see
http://www.thelatestmagazine.com/Articles/0804waterwater.htm or I can send
you a properly formatted pdf file. Note that this is written for the
lay-person and more supporting data (that I have) is not included, but
alluded to. The original article that sparked this is at
http://www.thelatestmagazine.com/Articles/0604TheWater.htm. I have
bascially found that there is no clear correlation between water stucture
(e.g. "hexagonal water") and 17O-NMR linewidth. I have presented this paper
at the recent meeting of the Southern California Users of Magnets (SCUM- I
kid you not!) group where it was well received. I have been asked to
present this paper again at a local section meeting of the ACS soon too.

The main reason why I am inquiring amongst a wider set of NMR experts is
that I know of several instances where NMR data is being used to "prove"
this connection. Please see
http://www.aquatechnology.net/hexagonalwater.html as an example. To date, a
couple of NMR related companies have been misrepresented as supporters of
this point of view as well in various "hexagonal water" supporting
websites. They have tried to dissociate themselves from such websites, but
apparently have been ignored. Now, one of our colleagues (not a member of
this list) is being personally attacked by the owner of the Aqua Technology
website! All he has done was to request to have a link to his NMR textbook
site be removed from this (Aqua Technology) website. I would like to know
if there is anyone else out there who has had to confront similar problems.
I would also like to know if there is any further substantiating evidence
on either side of this issue. It would be nice to nip all this in the bud
before this gets out of hand.

I, personally, am not pleased that such personal attacks are conducted upon
a well respected member of our community and am concerned about the need to
be aware of this growing problem- websites claiming superior knowledge of a
scientific area where they have no proven history and then attacking
someone who just wishes to be disassociated from such dubious claims.

Any thoughts and/or data you may have will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Paul


Paul Shin, Ph.D.
Department of Chemistry SC4312
California State University, Northridge
18111 Nordhoff Street
Northridge, California 91330
818-677-6887 Office
818-677-4068 Fax
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