Re: Cryogen sensors: summary

jmw@chem.ucsd.edu
Mon, 3 Aug 1998 16:45:10 -0700

My 2 cents, fwitw (I've been taking care of supercon nmrs since
1971). You don't need the sensors. You can put gas flowmeters
on both the LHe boiloff and, if you desire, the LN2 boiloff.
They will tell you everything you need to know about sudden
changes in cryogen boiloff due to soft dewars, thermal oscillations,
or whatever, and tell you much faster than level meters.

You can measure the LN2 level any time, trivially, with a plastic/
fiberglass "dipstick" rod such as Varian routinely provides with
their systems. You can pretty easily measure the LHe level with
a flutter tube. Once you know how long you can go between fills,
if you keep an eye on your boiloff, and measure the levels very
occasionally, you should be set.

The cryogen level gauges are not completely reliable, especially
the LN2 sensors, which depend on the difference in dielectric
constant between liquid and gaseous nitrogen to change the capacitance
between a long pair of concentric tubes immersed in the LN2 reservoir.
I have never gotten into trouble ignoring or not having cryogen level
sensors; I _have_ on a couple of occasions gotten into trouble (let
a LN2 can go dry) by _believing_ over-optimistic LN2 level gauge readings.
(But not in a long time! :-)

Regards,

John Wright

Dr. John M. Wright, Dept. of Chemistry & Biochemistry, M/S 0314, UCSD,
La Jolla, CA 92093-0314; email: jwright@ucsd.edu; phone: (619) 534-3049

> Subject: Cryogen sensors: summary
> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 13:43:45 -0600
> From: Bill Thurmes <thurmes@displaytech.com>
> To: "AMMRL" <ammrl@wwitch.unl.edu>
>
> To those who responded to my question about the usefulness of cryogen
> sensors, thank you!!
>
> I had heard from a couple sources that some people liked the sensors,
> others disliked them. Most people who responded really liked them,
> especially the helium sensors (they were more ambivalent about the
> nitrogen sensors). Out of fifteen respondents, only one said "don't
> bother", and another said they probably weren't necessary. Several people
> said they were essential. A couple people pointed out that the sensors
> should have an On/Off switch, so they don't deplete the helium so fast.
> Some other points mentioned:
>
> (They provide) an additional indicator during filling besides the change
> in the plume.
>
> In the couple of the last 7 years with altogether 5 spectrometers we had
> 3 dangerous situations. In all of these cases we had thermoacoustic
> vibrations within the helium tank. This caused the helium evaporation
> rate to increase about three times. The problem itself each time was easy
> to solve, but we needed the sensors to detect the problem.
>
> Thanks again for your responses.
> --Bill Thurmes
>
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